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MESSA says no to requests for insurance data

School districts in holding pattern on teacher benefits

Fri., February 29, 2008

Battle lines are being drawn over Michigan’s new Public Employees Health Benefit Act, as public school districts report they are unable to obtain from a Michigan Education Association affiliate the information they need to seek competitive bids for employee health care.

Enacted late in 2007 as part of a deal to resolve a state budget deficit, the new law requires public school districts to seek competitive bids for medical benefits plans and makes it easier for schools and other public employers to form health insurance pools.

The law also requires insurance companies and third-party administrators that currently work with school districts to release aggregate information about each district’s past medical claims and costs. That claims history is supposed to be made available to individual school districts, which then are supposed to provide the data to any competitor who wants to bid for the district’s business. The idea is that more competition in the school health marketplace will bring down costs.

But the Michigan Education Special Services Association, the third-party administrator that sells health insurance benefits to about half of Michigan’s education market, now says it can’t provide claims data to individual school districts.

In letters responding to districts who asked for their claims history, the association wrote that, "Due to our business model, MESSA has never maintained claims experience data on an individual school district or group basis." The letters go on to say that the association will begin compiling the necessary data as of Dec. 1, 2007, as required under the act. MESSA was established by and is affiliated with the Michigan Education Association.

"What they basically said is, ‘We don’t keep that kind of information,’" Reed City Public Schools Superintendent Steven Westhoff told Michigan Education Report. "I wasn’t too pleased."

MESSA officials did not respond to a request for comment for this article.

Similarly, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan told Reed City that it was unable to provide claims history data because the MESSA pooling model "does not maintain data needed to separate out groups and membership history information." MESSA insurance plans are underwritten by Blue Cross Blue Shield.

That puts school districts in the awkward position of being required by the new law to seek bids and also to provide claims data that they don’t have, said Tom White, executive director of the Michigan School Business Officials.

"It’s holding up (employee contract) negotiations and it’s frustrating people," White said. "To get the best product at the best price, we need the data."

The contract between Reed City teachers and the school district expires in June, and Westhoff anticipates that contract negotiations, including negotiations over health benefits, will begin this spring. After receiving the letter from MESSA, he also sought the claims data from the Reed City Education Association and was told it "has no control over such information."

At this point, he said, the district plans to request claims data from MESSA for December of 2007 and the first three months of 2008 in order to have bids available during contract talks, but he isn’t sure how useful that will be to bidders. Reed City currently participates in MESSA’s Choices II, a preferred provider health plan.

"I think it’s kind of a game," Westhoff said. "It’s kind of like they (MESSA) have bought themselves … time."

"Schools are always put into these rocks and hard places," said Raymond Telman, executive director of the Middle Cities Education Association, a group representing urban public school districts. "What’s the enforcement mechanism? I don’t know."

Staff members of state Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, and Sen. Mark Jansen, R-Grand Rapids, both sponsors of the legislation, were to meet in mid-January to discuss the matter, a staff person in Kuipers’s office said, but further details were not available before deadline.

White and Westhoff both were skeptical of claims that the data was not available at the district level.

"Blue Cross is sending bills to school districts with individuals’ names on them. My guess is they have the capacity to do this," White said.

Priority Health, an insurance carrier based in Grand Rapids that sells a variety of insurance products to 25 Michigan school districts, said it is responding to customer requests for data and looks forward to bidding for business in other districts.

"We have decided we are going to comply with the letter of the law as well as the spirit of the law," said Amy Chambers, director of consumer engaged healthcare products. "It takes some effort, but you can do it."

"Having the kind of claims information that Public Act 106 sets free is going to be very valuable for the carriers and for the school districts," she said. "From the school perspective, this information is going to be gold for them. That’s going to give them ammunition to bargain for the best costs and services."

Asked if Priority Health will submit bids in districts where claims data is lacking, Chambers said it depends on the product.

"For a few of our programs, we would need actual claims data," she said.

Without knowing the claims history in a given district, insurance companies or third-party administrators are likely to bid high, building a safety factor into their numbers, said Jim Miller, director of sales and marketing for the School Employers Trust and School Employees Group. SET SEG oversees a group of non-profit entities that offer insurance products to Michigan schools. SET SEG is now offering consulting services to schools on health insurance bidding and has given a number of presentations to school administrators throughout the state about the new law.

"There are schools bidding out, but the problem is they’re bidding without claims data. Some of them are getting bids back, but they aren’t competitive," Miller said.

MESSA and the MEA, the state’s largest school employee union, fought hard against the new statute, asserting that there is no evidence that pooling will save money on school employee health care and that releasing claims data by individual district will encourage insurance companies to offer bids only to "healthy" districts.

MESSA plans are extremely popular among teachers in some school districts, with teachers citing the high quality of both benefits and service. But the cost of these plans is also high. In a number of districts in recent years, union negotiators have agreed to give up pay raises in exchange for maintaining MESSA coverage. Many more have agreed to switch from MESSA’s most expensive plan to its less costly preferred provider option, Choices II. MESSA officials say that shows that teachers are already doing their part to bring down health care costs.

In contrast, some public school districts have switched carriers and used the savings for pay raises. That was the case in Kearsley Community Schools near Flint, where employees agreed to move from a MESSA product to Blue Cross Blue Shield’s Flex Blue plan.

Tim Dillon, assistant superintendent, said the district saved 10 percent on health insurance by switching to a high deductible plan, with the district paying the entire premium and all deductibles.

"It was absolutely amazing," he said. "We took that 10 percent and it equated to about a 2 percent increase in salary."

Dillon said teachers’ medical privacy is not at risk under individual district plans.

"I don’t receive any information on anyone’s medical condition on an individual basis," he said. "It’s not delineated."

Insurance carriers who want to compete with MESSA have the task of convincing teachers that their plans and services are comparable. The final decision on health benefits is generally decided at the bargaining table.

"I’m hopeful this law will open them up to everything that’s out there," Chambers said. "We’re hopeful that this act and a lot of energy around the act will get our information in front of them."

Miller estimated there are at least half a dozen insurance carriers who would like to get into Michigan’s school insurance market, particularly in southeast Michigan.

"This thing will break, but it hasn’t broken yet," he said.

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Attacking MESSA ...

May 6, 2008, 10:17:37 AM
Attacking MESSA does nothing to address the dismal failure the "free market" has provided us as far as affordable QUALITY health care. Yeah, it's easy as hell to cut health care costs: jack up co-pays, cut coverages, foist cost onto the backs of good hard working people.

Duh.
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May 6, 2008, 10:20:11 AM
Funny how schools that have switched to other insurance providers are still able to provide QUALITY health care at much lower cost to taxpayers. The difference is simple: their employees pay a reasonable share of their own benefits and those other companies don't have to inflate costs in order to funnel money to anyone.
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May 6, 2008, 10:20:55 AM
Funny how our school only found stability and cost savings AFTER we switched to MESSA.

I've had non-MESSA insurance; I've had MESSA insurance. Have you? Thought so. Pipe down then.
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May 6, 2008, 10:24:12 AM
Lol...tell that to Huron Valley (switching from MESSA saves money). They self-funded a few years ago and went in the red big time--on the taxpayers dime, mind you.

Who was the only carrier to come calling and bail them out the mess? MESSA!

But you won't hear a story like that here or the other anti-union sites. Instead you'll hear only the bad news, the minority reports, the odd story that serves the purpose of the anti-worker rhetoric.

And it seems every 20-something-year-old when no expertise, knowledge, or the ability to even win local drain commissioner races is suddenly an "expert" on these matters worth seeing in print!

Lol...

How about it Mack Attack Center? I dare you print a story that shows a POSITIVE outcome to MESSA being the insurance carrier in a district. There's a lot of those stories out there. And if you "can't find them," I question your journalistic abilities.
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May 6, 2008, 10:24:30 AM
Wow, some people sure seem antsy over the slush fund being exposed.
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May 6, 2008, 10:24:45 AM
Focus. Avoid red herrings. Thanks.
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May 6, 2008, 10:29:59 AM
I've noticed Priority Health has gotten pimped a couple of times here and by the EAG...gee, and they're based in Grand Rapids. Wow. The plot thickens, as they say.

They're also not hurting for dough. Why not point that out as well? Nah, nevermind, eh?

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Priority_Hlth_Gov_Prog_119293_7.pdf
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May 6, 2008, 10:30:16 AM
Speaking of exposed, it isn't MESSA or the MEA that's hiding behind Domains by Proxy and cowardly front groups. It isn't MESSA or the MEA officials who are afraid to show themselves publicly and wear their name tags proudly.

Cowards they're not. A lot of people would do well to learn from that.
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May 6, 2008, 10:30:33 AM
Excellent point about the red herrings.

Some want to mislead people into believing MESSA is an insurance company by claiming it provides "quality" health care. In reality it's a middle man that outsources (LOL) insurance underwriting, usually to BC/BS, then jacks up the price when it resells the coverage to schools.

The same coverage can be purchased directly from BC/BS, for as much as $4,000 to $5,000 less per employee per year.

Where might all that extra money end up? Take a guess.
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May 6, 2008, 10:30:56 AM
That's funny, our district had BCBS before we switched to MESSA (PPO, same coverage). They jacked up the rates, we switched to MESSA--and SAVED money!

*gasp* how does that work if MESSA's just a middle person (avoids sexist language)?
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May 6, 2008, 10:31:10 AM
What underwriter was MESSA outsourcing the insurance to, how much was saved by whom and what district?
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May 6, 2008, 10:31:23 AM
It was the same BCBS insurance. The same.

The problem is that our district got a very unfavorable (and small) pooling. MESSA put us in a very large pool covering nearly half the state. There is no insurance carrier willing to do that for us.

Yet I hear that doing away with MESSA is the answer. Yeah, of course it is: for the corporate friends of this site who don't want MESSA as competition and don't want anyone to have a voice or say in anything.

Understood.
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May 6, 2008, 10:31:37 AM
Again: where are the stories at this "non partisan" site about the GOOD that MESSA has done in some districts?
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May 6, 2008, 10:31:54 AM
Well...?
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May 6, 2008, 10:32:09 AM
I am an MEA member and have MESSA insurance, and my family is very happy with our coverage. But the MESSA defenders posting snarky comments here are missing the point. If MESSA offers the best package, then they should win the contract. But if someone else can do better, then we should know about it and have a chance at switching. There may be a generational difference at work here. I'm in my 6th year of teaching and my anecdotal experience is that newer teachers are more interested in the bottom line on insurance and don't have the same knee-jerk hostility to considering other providers as we see from some of our older colleagues.
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May 6, 2008, 10:32:27 AM
Um, we had open competition before. Our school didn't have MESSA insurance. It got MESSA insurance after bidding like everyone else.

There's nothing wrong with competition. The problem is the anti-MEA/MESSA crowd aren't interested in competition, either--but rather the extermination of the MEA and MESSA. If you're not aware of that, well, God help you.

A majority of school districts DON'T have MESSA.

Hello!
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May 6, 2008, 10:32:42 AM
The proof is in the pudding. Front groups have innocently said "gee, this new law is only about free markets and open competition and nothing more than that."

But if this new law and the "open competition" it allegedly provides doesn't result in school districts getting rid of MESSA, I've got a bridge to sell you if you believe the backers of this "innocent free market" bill let it go at that and not devise some other scheme to attack the MEA and MESSA.

We're already seeing them be frustrated that the law isn't working fast enough to club MESSA.

Reality check, aisle 5 please.
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May 6, 2008, 10:32:58 AM
Got a call out the poster of two posts ago for a very suspicious posting. Interesting...the pro-MESSA people here are the ones being "snarky"...but you don't call out the anti-posts for their blanket statements and unsubstantiated hyperbole?

Hmm...very interesting ;)
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May 6, 2008, 10:33:14 AM
Someone earlier asked about the "good" that MESSA does. Not sure what that's supposed to mean, since it's not an insurance company. All I keep seeing in the newspapers are stories about contract negotiations that involve MESSA where the teachers union is willing to forgo pay raises and sacrifice their union brothers and sisters (be they other teachers or support staff), in order to keep the district paying more for a third-party paper pusher. In many cases, other unions within the district, as well as administrators, have already agreed to insurance changes.

Is all that rancor and strife really that important to every day classroom teachers who probably don't even know about the sweetheart deal MESSA and the MEA have?
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May 6, 2008, 10:33:28 AM
More lies. Look, we get it: you have to eliminate MESSA and the MEA in order to be able to completely control the game--at which time teacher salaries and benefits will be slashed to the core.

It's not about "providing the same quality health insurance at cheaper rates" *wink*, it's about promoting that concept long enough to do away with MESSA--then when you don't have that competition anymore, it's slash and burn.

I know you're not stupid: MESSA saves via their pooling structure. As has been pointed out, there are examples of districts SAVING with MESSA by getting the same insurance they had without MESSA because MESSA put them in a much better pool.

I know you smart Devos types aren't stupid. So stop acting like it.
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May 6, 2008, 10:33:44 AM
I've actually seen this logic presented with a straight face: "our tiny district will pool together with a couple of other tiny districts and save money!"

Er, your tiny district was in a pool covering half the state under MESSA.

Hello, Mcfly!
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May 6, 2008, 10:34:51 AM
Hmm...the EAG did a direct mailing not too long ago where it provided a quote from Priority Health as a allegedly cheaper alternative to MESSA.

*Gasp* and there's a connection between Priority Health and Dick Devos.

But, nah, it's not about "that"--it's about our kids!

http://www.spectrum-health.org/cs/Satellite?c=eHA_Content_C&cid=1159374668363&pagename=Spectrum_Health_Core%2FSpectrum_Core_Central_Template
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May 6, 2008, 10:35:16 AM
Wow Sherlock. Donations to a children's hospital. Oh, the inhumanity of it all!!!!
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May 6, 2008, 10:35:30 AM
There's nothing wrong with Priority Health or Devos making donations to a hospital.

But the EAG tries to be coy and say "we only care about the taxpayers and children" doesn't disclose the "conflict of interest" or the direct connections it has to these entities when they put out their mailings and try to directly collectively bargain on behalf of Priority Health and Devos.

That *should" make sense, Sherlock.
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May 6, 2008, 10:35:47 AM
Of course MESSA says no. The fox has been guarding the hen house for far too long. Granted, the coverage is good. But the cost is and has been high. Want proof? MESSA has something like 35M+ in their account for their "services". With a little work public schools can get the same for less.
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May 6, 2008, 10:36:05 AM
So is MESSA telling us they do not know where the insured person works at, or better yet what school is paying for the insurance for the employee? They should be able to track by employee and employer. Any self respecting data processing person could figure that out. If they do not know where the insured person is working how are they getting paid?
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May 6, 2008, 10:36:24 AM
When the state wide average for family health care coverage is said to be approximately $12,000 per year and we're paying $14,000 to 15,000 regardless of single, two person or full family coverage - something doesn't add up. Cut out the middle man, and the costs go down for the same quality coverage. In my district, the "don't let them bargain away your MESSA" campaign lauched via email to all members prior to contract negotiations in the district was highly effective in shutting down any alternatives.
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May 6, 2008, 10:36:41 AM
I am so tired of all of the MESSA subscribers who can do nothing but whine and moan about their "rights". It is long overdue and if these teachers do not like the fact that schools can save a bundle and still provide a great health care plan to simply pull their heads out of the sand and take a bit sip or reality.

The days of employees dictacting or specifying their insurance carrier is long gone..so cowboy up and deal with it..rather than use the students as your pawns...

If you don't like the benefits that are being offered....leave or retire.. Better yet, get a job in the public sector where your raises are based on performance, rather than scripted simply by years of service.....

MESSA will soon equal loss of jobs..
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